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<blockquote data-quote="davidd" data-source="post: 117405" data-attributes="member: 1177"><p>I think the problem is that Bonhams does not understand the Egli production history. Fritz produced only a handful of bikes. The bulk of the Egli production was done by Slater. Slater did not keep records. Fritz does have some limited records.</p><p></p><p>All of Fritz's frames were built with metric tubing. Just about all of Slater built frames were imperial tubing. However, Fritz supplied frames to Slater for a few years until Slater got Eric Cheney to build frames in England. Thus, many of the early Slater Eglis had metric frames built by Fritz with Slater engines. It was just as likely that a Slater Egli would be sold as a kit with frame and accessories only. The purchaser would install his own engine.</p><p></p><p>A Fritz built engine had his own "EV" engine number stamped on the case, like EV5 does with the "</p><p>EV13AL." A Roger Slater engine would probably have an engine number that started with "RS". They normally left the original engine number alone. Because many of the Slater Eglis (and some of the Fritz Eglis) were frame only kits, you cannot rely on there being a special EV or RS engine number on every bike</p><p>.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]32675[/ATTACH]</p><p>I took the above photo at the public auction at Barber.</p><p></p><p>Fritz seemed to stamp all the engines he built with or without frames, so the engine numbers were much higher than the frame numbers. Fritz stopped building Egli Vincents in 1969, which was only the second year of production. The models he sold were called "Shadow" "Lightning" and "Lightning R". Bonhams always reports this incorrectly by adding "Black", which was not something that Fritz used.</p><p></p><p>Fritz lost interest in the Vincent mostly because he could not get a supply of engines. Roger Slater was supplying engines for him and he finally licensed Roger to build the bike while he moved on to other bikes.</p><p></p><p>These were the three models Egli offered:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]32680[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>The Shadow was almost certainly had a Rapide engine. However, all of the bikes engines could have been Rapides because Egli saw the names as models that were only loosely based on the Vincent models. For Fritz the models indicated different performance specs and different uses.</p><p></p><p>The best known model of the Roger Slater era was the "Shadow 70" (for 1970), but there was no permanent marking of that model designation on the engine or frame.</p><p></p><p>David</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="davidd, post: 117405, member: 1177"] I think the problem is that Bonhams does not understand the Egli production history. Fritz produced only a handful of bikes. The bulk of the Egli production was done by Slater. Slater did not keep records. Fritz does have some limited records. All of Fritz's frames were built with metric tubing. Just about all of Slater built frames were imperial tubing. However, Fritz supplied frames to Slater for a few years until Slater got Eric Cheney to build frames in England. Thus, many of the early Slater Eglis had metric frames built by Fritz with Slater engines. It was just as likely that a Slater Egli would be sold as a kit with frame and accessories only. The purchaser would install his own engine. A Fritz built engine had his own "EV" engine number stamped on the case, like EV5 does with the " EV13AL." A Roger Slater engine would probably have an engine number that started with "RS". They normally left the original engine number alone. Because many of the Slater Eglis (and some of the Fritz Eglis) were frame only kits, you cannot rely on there being a special EV or RS engine number on every bike . [ATTACH type="full"]32675[/ATTACH] I took the above photo at the public auction at Barber. Fritz seemed to stamp all the engines he built with or without frames, so the engine numbers were much higher than the frame numbers. Fritz stopped building Egli Vincents in 1969, which was only the second year of production. The models he sold were called "Shadow" "Lightning" and "Lightning R". Bonhams always reports this incorrectly by adding "Black", which was not something that Fritz used. Fritz lost interest in the Vincent mostly because he could not get a supply of engines. Roger Slater was supplying engines for him and he finally licensed Roger to build the bike while he moved on to other bikes. These were the three models Egli offered: [ATTACH type="full"]32680[/ATTACH] The Shadow was almost certainly had a Rapide engine. However, all of the bikes engines could have been Rapides because Egli saw the names as models that were only loosely based on the Vincent models. For Fritz the models indicated different performance specs and different uses. The best known model of the Roger Slater era was the "Shadow 70" (for 1970), but there was no permanent marking of that model designation on the engine or frame. David [/QUOTE]
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