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<blockquote data-quote="Simon Dinsdale" data-source="post: 126234" data-attributes="member: 58"><p>Glen</p><p>The problem with your assumption is I find approximately 1/4 of the restamped bikes are NOT claiming to be matching numbers. Yes I know there is no logic to that but sometimes there is no logic to the whole situation. There are even bikes out there at have been cloned fron old U.K. Logbooks and there has been typo errors in the logbooks which have then been transferred to metal.</p><p></p><p>As an example there is a case where two bikes were been restored in the mid 1980's side by side and upon completion it was spotted the engines had been accidentally swapped during the rebuild. Common sense would say to swap the engines back but the restorer took the easy route and got the number stamps to the engines instead as it was a quicker solution.</p><p></p><p>The whole point of the discussion is to point out to buyers not to buy blind, but to get photos of the numbers and then ask about them before buying. I would say that of the new owners that ask about their bikes nearly 1/3 of them first ask AFTER they have purchased it and not before, and yes some do get caught out. So the smart thing to do is actually ask before buying. You cannot rely on auction houses doing the right thing either as I know of several Vincent's that have gone back to the auction companies as what they sold was not correct or fully checked.</p><p></p><p>Jon & I just find it frustrating as buyers are ignoring the basic advice and we see it virtually every week.</p><p></p><p>Simon</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Simon Dinsdale, post: 126234, member: 58"] Glen The problem with your assumption is I find approximately 1/4 of the restamped bikes are NOT claiming to be matching numbers. Yes I know there is no logic to that but sometimes there is no logic to the whole situation. There are even bikes out there at have been cloned fron old U.K. Logbooks and there has been typo errors in the logbooks which have then been transferred to metal. As an example there is a case where two bikes were been restored in the mid 1980's side by side and upon completion it was spotted the engines had been accidentally swapped during the rebuild. Common sense would say to swap the engines back but the restorer took the easy route and got the number stamps to the engines instead as it was a quicker solution. The whole point of the discussion is to point out to buyers not to buy blind, but to get photos of the numbers and then ask about them before buying. I would say that of the new owners that ask about their bikes nearly 1/3 of them first ask AFTER they have purchased it and not before, and yes some do get caught out. So the smart thing to do is actually ask before buying. You cannot rely on auction houses doing the right thing either as I know of several Vincent's that have gone back to the auction companies as what they sold was not correct or fully checked. Jon & I just find it frustrating as buyers are ignoring the basic advice and we see it virtually every week. Simon [/QUOTE]
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