I think this is called banter between Father and Son, I have ridden Vincents since 1965, my Son was brought up with them in his life, but as he became of age he went Japanese and also took up racing with BEMSEE, quite successfully as it happens. I suppose I started the banter originally by making disparaging remarks about anodyne Jap Crap, a term we used in the sixties, anyway my Son has bitten back many times, this morning for instance I thought the picture of Cam Donald on the Godet Grey Flash was so beautiful I sent him the picture along with a few more disparaging remarks about his preference, his reply was "I've said it before, you can't polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter, should just about be able to enter it in the BEMSEE MZ 250 Challenge, with a handicap of course!" I think he was only kidding, he loves them really, but I am thinking about my Will........