AHRMA Race at Gingerman 2018

davidd

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David Tompkins was the lone Vincent at Gingerman, Michigan this past weekend. He was quite happy with the extra three horsepower, but on Saturday when he overcooked an early turn Alex wagged his finger at him as he rode by. Two second place showings for the weekend.
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Here is a shot of the man and the bike. He does a great job with the fabrication and upkeep.

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davidd

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Wouldn't he benefit from one of the new steering heads? It looks like an original on the photo.

I think he could, although he has no handling ills due to the short springs. It is primarily my fault. I have been building a racer for the past few years and I was not far enough along for David to use it. It has a new taper roller steering head and taper roller steering stem along with roller bearings in the Girdraulic. I have also been working on improving the braking and converting the head to beehive springs. With all this work in progress it was difficult to hand it over to David and keep the mods on track. As a result, he converted his street Comet to race for the 2018 season while I plodded on.

David is good at fabrication and converting a stock Comet to a racing bike is a good challenge. The experience on the dyno has been a real eye opener. Finally, it is his first time on these tracks, so there is a steep learning curve with the competition.

David
 

Bill Thomas

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I would love to try one of those gearboxes, But out of my price range now.
I bet it completely changes the "Comet Ride ". Cheers Bill.
 

vibrac

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I wish those US race regulations were in place over here we may be historically more accurate and sponsors may be more restrictive in specifications but performance and spectacle suffers, are any solo Vincents racing this season on the UK mainland?
 

davidd

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I wish those US race regulations were in place over here we may be historically more accurate and sponsors may be more restrictive in specifications but performance and spectacle suffers, are any solo Vincents racing this season on the UK mainland?

The AHRMA rule is you have to use an OEM gear box with no more than 4 speeds. A Vincent cannot use a Norton gear box or a period Albion 5 speed, for example.

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vibrac

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They seem happy with a single coil over at the rear I had a big argument when we fitted bananamans coverless rear springs i even had to araldite a brass hexagon on the silver painted koni one difficult season .....
 

davidd

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That is a little more interesting. It is not specifically in the rules of Class C, but in the overall rules of general vintage bike provisions where it says "Monoshocks are prohibited, except for Vincent Grey Flash." Although I was the first to run a coil over on the back, I always felt that their use of the term monoshock would prevent them from giving me a hard time. Nobody blinked!

From that point, all you can argue is semantics. I think the broad definition of a shock absorber is a device that is fitted to a wheel to reduce the effects of traveling over rough ground. With the advent of friction dampers, it usually meant a spring and a damper combination. With the further introduction of hydraulic dampers it usually meant the same, however, in 1951 Monroe developed the Monroe-matic, which was a telescoping damper inside a spring. From this point on the more modern popular conception is that the shock absorber is the damper.

I think it is difficult to argue that the Vincent rear suspension is a dual shock suspension because it uses two springs and a single damper. You would also have to concede that the Girdraulic is a dual shock suspension, because it also uses two spring with one damper. If you looked at the modern Works Series D coil over you would have to argue it is three shock absorbers because it has three separate springs. Things start to get weird.

It is possible that here in the States the Vincent has always been considered a monoshock, despite its use of two springs. It was clearly not the same as the Harleys and Indians.

David
 
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